In my never-ending quest to play all sides of the Christian World, and get everyone upset with me- I enter a Christian discussion that involves Substitutionary Blood Atonement and Universal Salvation...
A liberal Christian complained-
“Penal substitution is simply pagan blood sacrifice finding its way into modern theology.”
Exactly. That is why it’s true. Every ancient faith, no matter how high-minded & philosophical, knew that indeed “the blood is the life”.
He continued-
“Who wants to worship a God who would kill his own son for the sins of his creation?”
I do… understanding that
-”Father & Son” are metaphorical terms for the relationship between the Eternally Begetting First Person (The Theos) and the Eternally Begotten Second Person (The Logos Who is With The Theos and Who is Theos) of YHWH Elohim, and that the entirety of the Passion was experienced in all it’s gut-wrenching agony by Father, Son & Spirit- AS both Victimizer AND Victim;
-for the Father, it was less hurting/killing a “Son” and more “ripping His own heart out”; and…
-the Atonement as YHWH Elohim taking on Himself full responsibility for the sins that He permits to occur, including the Penalty of Death, Hades & Gehenna.
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A conservative Christian complained-
"If everybody did (get to God) then my Lord and Saviour is a liar………that would upset me just as much as it does knowing that millions upon millions of people die and go to hell."
Since I went to bat for Penal Substitutionary Atonement (see above)- now I'll do the same for HOPEFUL Universalism....
Christ said the wicked would go into "aionion fire" and "aionion punishment- literally lopping-off" (pruning, perhaps even correction). "Aionion" can mean Eternal, especially when referring to essential attributes of God, such as the life He promises to His faithful ones. However, its primary meaning is "aion-lasting". And it is quite possible that the wicked goes into the Aionion Fire which is Punishing & perhaps Corrective, and come out embracing Jesus as Lord & Savior, hence being Eternally Corrected. (Matthew 25:46)
Paul in Colossians 1 speaks of God by the Blood of Christ reconciling ALL THINGS to Himself. In I Corinthians 15, he explains that Christ will reign until He puts all things under Him, including Death, and delivers His Kingdom to the Father, and thus God becomes All in All.
Revelation 14 shows the Beast-worshippers enduring the Wrath of Fire & Theoin (Sulfur/Brimstone as Divine Fumigation) IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB AND THE ANGELS, with their Ordeal ascending for the Aions of the Aions. And then those sent to the Lake of Fire in Revelation 20 are shown in Rev 22 outside the Gates of the New Jerusalem. THAT is followed by the Divine Invitation to "Come Drink of the Water of Life". Is that Invite just directed to us readers OR TO THEM ALSO?
I believe that all humanity, all creation shall be enveloped in the Embrace of YHWH Elohim- that some even at the Great White Throne might throw themselves before Jesus Christ in love & adoration & be accepted, but that some, perhaps many, may fight & hate & despise Him so that the Glory of His Presence is a tormenting Lake of Fire to them. So I hope for Universal Salvation but believe in the possibility of Eternal Torment.
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This post shows why Penal Substitution is unbiblical, even though sacrifice and atonement are:
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Nick- Perhaps "Vicarious Atonement" would be a better term. Whatever- as Jesus Christ, YHWH God took upon Himself our Sin, Death & Hell and offers to us His Life & Love Eternal. Perhaps even better would be "Coinherent Atonement"- YHWH God in Jesus Christ in Us.
ReplyDeleteI definitely believe the popular notion of Eternal Conscious Torture in unbiblical. The only way I find it remotely tolerable is the Eastern Orthodox notion of all being enveloped in the Fire of God's Love- a blessing to the redeemed & a torment to the unrepentent.